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5 Axis and 20 Buttons: X & Y axis on the grips for aileron and elevator, Z, R & U axis in the levers for Throttle, prop, mixture
Four traditional push buttons, 2 bi-directional flip switches, 2 bi-directional rocker switches and 1 eight-way POV hat switch
Total of 144 programmable functions with optional PC programming software (included)
Plug and Play driverless USB installation for both PC and Macintosh
Compatible with Windows 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10 and Mac OSX

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it sets up amazingly easy and, if you are used to using a ... I bought xplane 11. Now I'm fifty-something years old and feel kinda silly mounting this to my desk to fly a Cessna 172 around the country but... so what. It works, it sets up amazingly easy and, if you are used to using a mouse for control you'll fall in love with this in moments. I'm thinking of getting the rudder pedals next but maybe that will look a little too silly. (so what!) 5CH Products Yoke Great yoke! I did a ton of research for the past 3 weeks and decided on this Yoke. Glad I did. I couldn t justify spending a lot more money on the high end Yokes. It was between this one and the Saitek Yoke. Nothing s perfect but a lot of people like this one better then the Saitek. CH Products make an Eclipse model with more buttons and weird built in rudder pedals. I didn t want all the extra buttons and rudder pedals so I choose this model. 5Yoke works great. Securing clamps are terrible. The yoke paired perfectly with FlightGear's aircraft simulator and with X-plane, using Apple OS Sierra. The controls have a good feel and responsiveness.The downgrade in stars is for the hardware used to attach the yoke to a desk or tabletop surface. The pressure points of the clamps, used to hold the yoke's housing to a desk, are located too close the front of the yoke's housing. They barely reach under and grab a desktop from below. This creates insufficient clamping pressure. Further, the clamps are located so far forward, they create a pivot point on the underside of the yoke's housing. This allows the housing to wobble and rock on the front edge of your desktop with any movement of the yoke wheel. This setup must have been released for sale without sufficient testing because testing would have revealed how poorly designed and inadequate the clamping system was.If you want this to work for you, you'll have to come up with an alternate method of clamping or strapping the yoke to your desk. One solution is to strap the housing to a rectangle of plywood and then use separate store-bought clamps to secure the plywood to your desktop.All in all, a very good control system with a very poor mounting system. 3Not worth it, just buy a joystick Generally, very poorly made, even for this price point. You'd be much better off spending the same amount of money on a joystick: whatever realism the yoke adds is negated by its other drawbacks.Specific complaints:* The trim wheel isn't an input, it just shifts the pitch axis zero point up/down. The result is that trimming with it reduces control input range because it saturates at one end, which makes it unusable.* The throttle levers often read a tiny bit above/below zero/full at the limits, which makes them unusable for things like reversers/flaps/speedbrakes that ruin your day when slightly deployed at cruise.* The roll axis only turns 45 degrees in each direction, most real yokes will turn 90. Makes fine aileron control harder.* Most egregious problem: the pitch axis doesn't recenter correctly. The point it springs back to is about an inch different from the front versus the back, and there's a lot of friction within that inch (tried adding lubricant, no dice). That makes fine elevator control pretty much impossible, which is really frustrating when landing. It also means you have to retrim if you bump the yoke even slightly, since it won't end up at the same zero point.Overall, if you want to turn the realism settings all the way up, you'll quickly become frustrated with all these limitations, most especially the last one. 2C.H. Products flying yoke and rudder pedals, TOGETHER, A BIG HIT RIGHT OVER THE CENTER FIELD FENCE!!!!! I just bought this flight simulator yoke and the matching rudder pedals. . .and I'm writing to tell you they ARE WONDERFUL!!!! Compared to Seitek controls, THESE ARE A BARGAIN!!!!! I love 'em and heartily recommend them to you IF you want to operation a computer flight simulator. I want to take flying lessons as I'm able, but I believe if I can work on my eye/hand/wheel/and rudder skills, I should cut some of my instructor time down. That would be WONDERFUL. So, if you're think about buying these controls, just DO IT!!! And you'll be writing yet another great review here on AMAZON. Get 'em and GO FLYING!!!!! 5Satisfied. I am quite satisfied with this yoke. My main reason for choosing this over the Saitek is simply price. I'm not a gung-ho simmer, but of course I want more than just a mouse and keyboard (I'm using this for FSX). I have flown real planes (gliders) some, and I don't think anything is going to replicate the real feeling of flight, so it's just a matter for settling for varying degrees of similarity, and deciding on how much money you want to spend to maybe get a little closer to the real thing. I think this CH yoke is a great balance between "close enough to real" and "reasonably priced." I doubt anything could accomplish being much more realistic than this, and if it does, it costs multitudes more and in my opinion isn't really worth it - but that's personal choice.I had to use a board to get my desk to a thickness the clamps would grab. No problem. The throttle/mixture/prop levers feel higher quality than I was expecting. The plastic of the levers feels solid and the lever action is tight. I love the ergonomics and button placement. The trigger buttons feel a tad cheap, but they work fine. All the other buttons work great.I used some plumbing o-ring silicon grease to lightly lubricate the shaft. It binds a little if you don't (unless you push in/out directly straight on), but it's not bad.Setup was easy. 5Realistic Feel and Function. Easy setup. This yoke is great. I haven't tried any other brands but I am a real world pilot and I can say this yoke works very well. The setup was quick...it took maybe two minutes for calibration and off I went. My PC set up the drivers automatically when I plugged in the USB cable. This is a very realistic yoke as compared to flying a light aircraft. Buy these and take the money you saved vs. the more expensive options and go get a lesson in a real light aircraft. 5Great beginner's yoke, easy to use. Simple, inexpensive flight yoke. Good for a beginner. I like that the prop/throttle/mixture levers are integrated (saving space.)I purchased with the corresponding flight pedals. Easily recognized by X-Plane flight simulator, so no install/setup required (other than to program your buttons to your liking.) Make sure your table is at least 1 inch thick, otherwise, it may be a challenge to get a good grip with the mounting clamps. 5Not super solid, but does the job I m not a super dedicated flight simmer, but I use it every now and then. I had a joystick with built-in yaw that I used with combat sims, but i really wanted to graduate to a yoke and pedals for Xplane without going too crazy. I spent several weeks reading various reviews and trying to decide between this and the Saitek.I was drawn to the Saitek as I heard the build quality was better, and the separate throttle quadrant was a big plus.Ultimately, I made the call to go with this because I read several reviews about the dead zone : how much you turn the yoke before the computer actually gets an input signal. Apparently, several Saitek users commented that you had to turn it quite a bit to get input, even when you turned up the sensitivity on the software side. By the time the computer registered input, it was at a higher level than desired. That makes it harder to do fine-level adjustments needed when landing etc.On the other hand, I read that some users didn t like that you couldn t turn this yoke a full 90 left or right. The Cessna edition that would let you do that doesn t seem to be sold anymore, so I was prepared to be disappointed there. I wasn t; as other reviews said, unless you re trying to do crazy acrobatics, you really don t need that kind of range in realistic flight.So, functionally, I ve been very happy with this yoke. The springs feel nice and smooth. It returns to the center easily, but not too forcefully.I do subtract a star for build quality. The handles themselves feel relatively solid, but the rest of it is questionable. The pitch wheel is extremely difficult to turn, and the two flip switches on the right of the yoke feel very, very flimsy. The other buttons on the yoke are fine, as are the three throttle/mix/pitch axes.It attaches to my desk easily and securely with the clamps. I m just using a cheap ikea desk at the moment, but it doesn t move at all under use.Installation-wise, there was nothing to speak of. Totally plug and play. Worked fine with Xplane 11 and FS2000. 4I've had the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke + Pedals and the CH Flight Sim Yoke + Pedals + Quadrant. This is what you need to know. Alright people, listen up. This is the review you want. If you are like a normal person and can't afford the $600-$1000 yoke from PFC without getting divorced then you are undoubtedly comparing this yoke (or the CH Eclipse, same thing really) to the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke. Well I've had both, complete with their respective rudder pedals and throttles and I have returned one and kept the other. Continue reading to find which one got the boot.CH Products Flight Sim YokePros:Exceptionally preciseCheaperCons:Feels flimsyThe CH Flight Sim yoke is undoubtedly the better choice between these two. Zero binding, and as much precision as you will ever need. I can apply inputs into the CH yoke using my pinky finger with an almost unnoticeable amount of force and that input makes it into the simulation. I run this yoke with high sensitivity and ZERO deadzone. Every single fault the Saitek Yoke has the CH doesn't. The CH Yoke does struggle a bit when you are applying inputs near the maximum range of the pitch or roll simply because the springs associated with those are at their limits. It's not a problem really and you can fly that way it's just more difficult. It's also worth pointing out that if you are looking into yokes, you probably aren't flying fighter jets and wont spend much time at the limits of the controls anyway. The Saitek yokes faults are extreme, and come into play at a range in the controls that you are going to spend 90% of your flight time. Whereas the CH yokes faults are trivial and come into play at a range in the controls that, if you are flying well, you wont even encounter. I denoted one star from the CH yoke for build quality. It simply does not feel as sturdy as the Saitek yoke, and I definitely attach and reattach the yoke with more caution, but I will gladly live with the fault because it works so well otherwise. The throttle axis's on top of the CH yoke are an afterthought. This yoke is the cheaper of the two and I suggest getting the CH standalone quadrant (as I did) because it is very, very good. It's also multi engine capable and adds 12 hard buttons and 6 soft buttons and the end of each axis throw.Saitek Pro FlightPros:Feels sturdyLooks awesomeIncluded (and superior to CH version) throttle quadrantCons:Fundamentally ineffectiveHorrendous binding, regardless of lubricationFirst, I bought the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke, which comes with their throttle quadrant, and I also bought the Pro Flight Rudder Pedals. I've had great luck with Saitek products in the past, albeit prior to the madcatz buyout so I gave them a shot first. Out of the box, sitting on the desk they look and feel awesome, but that's about where the fun stops. In practice that yoke is terrible. The Saitek yoke has HUGE indentations in the pitch and roll axis on center, meaning any type of small/precise input is impossible. Other reviews have made this claim before, so I will do my best to explain just how this impacts gameplay. If you need to make a slight input with the Saitek yoke, you begin applying that input to the yoke with an amount of force which should be adequate, but it isn't, because that amount of force isn't enough to overcome the indentation. When you do overcome the indentation, the input which is translated in the game, is significantly more than what you wanted. This complaint doesn't translate into words well, but trust me, its a huge deal. I read this same complaint before I bought it, thinking it didn't sound like such a big deal. With this fault, landing anything, especially in any type of winds, ends up in this "tank slapping" motion where you put a small input in, but eventually have to move to a larger input to actually push past the indention, then you had to do the opposite action to correct the over input. This is just awful and I returned the Saitek Yoke in 3 days.In addition to that deal breaker, the mechanisms inside the yoke are poorly designed also. It makes no difference what type of lubrication or the amount thereof you apply to the yoke shaft, there will be significant binding. Especially with any pitch input while you have already applied a roll input.It does come with the Saitek throttle quadrant which is in a different universe than the axis levers on top of the CH yoke. However, the CH Flight sim yoke is also cheaper, allowing you to possibly get the standalone CH Throttle quadrant, which is exceptional, and multi engine capable.Extra's and accompanying accessories.The Saitek throttle is great, they make a standalone version that is USB if you want it. Compared to the throttle levers on the CH yoke they don't even compare. I currently use those for flaps, spoilers, etc. Consequently, the CH yoke being cheaper overall makes it possible to also get the CH standalone throttle quadrant, which is really good. I have it set up for throttle/prop/mix on a twin engine but it comes with different knobs and can easily be converted into a 4 engine quadrant, then you could use the axis on top of the CH yoke for the axis you gave up. Simply more options.The Saitek rudder pedals always seemed better than the CH ones when I was shopping, and they were great. I really enjoyed how the were spread out wide away from each other. The adjustable length is kind of a gimmick really because the largest setting is the only usable adult size. The adjustable tension, while a major selling point for me, proved less useful in practice. Even with the lowest resistance, and cabinet liner/grip tape under the pedals, the resistance was so high that I was pushing the pedals around the floor. You'd have to construct some type a keeper to use them without that issue. Consequently, when I returned the Saitek yoke I also returned the saitek pedals bought all CH products stuff because I didn't want to mix and match. The CH pedals are larger than what I inferred through all the pictures I saw. Also, a lot of youtube videos show the rudder action and it seems to have very little resistance, and this for the most part is true. However, in those videos they move the rudders back and forth with their hands to demonstrate. In real practice, the weight of your opposite foot adds a very nice amount of resistance to the pedals and I am surprisingly satisfied with how these pedals turned out. Also, the CH yoke build quality issue doesn't extend to the throttle quadrant or pedals. Both of those items seem much sturdier.For what it's worth, I also found the included "CH Control Manager" software much better than the saitek offering, albeit with a steeper leaning curve.Additionally, if you have a space requirement under the desk concerning the mounting types. The CH products mounting tools take up maybe 2", very slim. However, the Saitek tools are very large, box style, and while sturdier take up a good 5-6".The different version debate.I know what you are thinking, "but what about the CH Eclipse yoke, and the Saitek Cessna Yoke". Well I don't have any hands on comparison but I have seen photographs/videos that show the internals of the Ch Pro Flight Yoke and the CH Eclipse Yoke to be identical. So if you think the CH Eclipse yoke's trim wheels and light up buttons are worth the extra $80 or so, knock your socks off, I didn't, but more importantly if you do go that route I don't think you'll be doing any better or worse in how it primarily functions compared to what I said here about the CH Flight Sim Yoke.In regards to the Saitek Cessna Yoke, I know it rotates a full 180 in the roll axis but I honestly don't know if they addressed any of the previous Saitek issues. If I am frank, I am also so satisfied with my CH Flight Sim Yoke that I don't care enough to find out. I was so overwhelmingly disappointed with the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke that I most likely will never purchase a Saitek product again.In closing.If you are an adult, who enjoys flight simulation for the simulation of it, and is capable of taking care of the items you own. If you have any vested interest in flight and know it's principles and how to fly correctly, please dear god please, get a CH yoke, and not the Saitek. The precision it offers will pay dividends in your simulation and really take your enjoyment to the next level.Consequently, if you find yourself constantly breaking your belongings, don't know where the realism settings are in your flight sim, and are more interested in the bling of your PC peripherals, then by all means, get the Saitek.I give the CH flight Sim Yoke a solid 4, and the only thing I would change to give it a 5 is a more robust feel. 4

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